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    Ever since I've been young I've always wanted to become a solicitor. I am now in my 4th year of a Law LLB degree, and that dream has just been taken away from me.

    I just got my last rejection email for a traineeship commencing in 2014, making it a grand total of 0 interview offers, and I feel so lost and confused now.

    This was my only chance to get a traineeship. Due to personal circumstance, I cannot go and get into 6k of debt next year and go on the diploma in the hopes I may get a traineeship - I needed the certainty of having one, it was the only way I could afford/justify going back to uni instead of working.

    I can't start a job for a year while applying for 2015 starts to then drop out and lose money in the run up to the wedding, and even after the wedding, I doubt I'll be in a good enough position for quite a few years to even contemplate going back to uni while h2b works.

    I'm not quite sure how to feel right now. Or what do do. I could have done any course, anything else with more prospects - but I have chosen a seriously narrow degree (I have only studied law for 4 years, nothing else, no English, finance, maths, nothing), and it does hinder me a lot in other post grad jobs.

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    To coin an old phrase " A degree is a degree is a degree" loads of companies will take you on if you have a degree. You'll be surprised. I know you have your dream job in mind and you don't have to let go just yet.
    It might take you longer to get there but you can't give up x

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    I know that a degree is a degree, but for the areas I'm interested in other than law, they look for specific types - finance, accounting etc. It's because the Law LLB is so narrow in it's focus it makes it harder for me to compare to others who have done a range of studies during their time.

    Thanks x

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    Do u have any other hobbies or passions? For example, I work for New Look and in the past have seen adverts for post-grad schemes that don't require a specific type of degree. I think the more important aspect that a degree would prove is you have committment and the ability to work hard and see something through to the end. I often look at the qualifications on the CVs handed in by young girls when I'm recruiting, not the type of qualification but just to see someone understands the importance of working hard and committing to something.

    Don't be too disheartened, you've worked very hard and it will pay off eventually. Even if its not down the route you originally planned. If you've got a keen interest in fashion, I'd thoroughly recommend looking at sites such as River Island, Debenhams (my friend is currently in the process of discussing a post-grad scheme with Debenhams and she has a degree in Accountancy), New Look or H&M.

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    What other areas interest you? I'm a chartered accountant and the firm I work for regularly recruits graduates from a non-accounting/finance background. We currently have trainees with law, geology, maths degrees etc. I know accounting isn't everyone's cup of tea but just trying to give an example where the actual subject of the degree isn't as relevant as people would imagine. Good luck x

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    Have you tried going and speaking with firms? My friend completed her LLB, she then struggled to get a placement for the year after - she was in the lucky position of being able to volunteer for a year - she then made an effort to go in and speak to firms and was offered a place within the first week.

    These firms get an influx daily of applications, you just need to make yourself stand out - good luck!

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    Hiya,

    I was in the exact same position as yourself this summer. I finished my 4th year LLB and didn't think I could afford the DPLP @ Edinburgh Uni. However, look into Postgraduate bursarys and SAAS. I managed to get 2k bursary for from the Uni as did everyone else who applied for it plus the SAAS contribution, I only had to pay 1k which in the whole of it, wasn't too bad!

    I have realised how hard it is to get a traineeship also and that most firms wont touch you without the DPLP being sat. It might be worth looking into. I totally understand how soul destroying it is getting rejection after rejection! It might be worth taking a few years out, but with the DPLP, the LSS is extending the length of time the Diploma lasts for without you having to resit if worst comes to worst and you couldn't find anything straight away xx

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    Dont lose hope! Most people are in this situation at that stage. KiaraP is right the market means employers can hold out longer than before. Also I have friends who went into accounting, banking, publishing with their llbs so there are lots of other options if you cant take the gamble!

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    It's so easy to say but keep your chin up despite how disheartening the situation may seem just now. My little sister graduated with a degree in Law and now has a good job in London which is not Law related entirely - a Law degree is a fantastic degree to have, whichever way you look at it. The career which I have chosen has absolutely nothing to do with my Marketing degree - I love my job and wouldn't have it any other way. If you have your heart set on it, go for it! Setbacks like these are set to try us. Best of luck xx

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawmummy View Post
    I know that a degree is a degree, but for the areas I'm interested in other than law, they look for specific types - finance, accounting etc. It's because the Law LLB is so narrow in it's focus it makes it harder for me to compare to others who have done a range of studies during their time.

    Thanks x
    Please don't get too downhearted
    I understand you are disappointed right now, but a law degree is a good foundation to build another career on. I do a lot of graduate recruitment and have seen a lot of cvs, and you should have a decent chance at many other sorts of graduate programmes that you might not have thought of before. And they, to be honest, might pay you a lot better than you think. A graduate scheme in something else might be a lot more interesting than conveyancing
    Have you thought about a CA traineeship?
    Or financial services?
    Or a job in the public sector e.g. finance department?
    Keep you head up and explore all the avenues you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2013bride View Post
    Dont lose hope! Most people are in this situation at that stage. KiaraP is right the market means employers can hold out longer than before. Also I have friends who went into accounting, banking, publishing with their llbs so there are lots of other options if you cant take the gamble!

    Xx
    I agree 100% with you. I did law, have a lot of friends who are lawyers and I guarantee I have a better work life balance and a more interesting role than most of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KiaraP View Post
    Hiya,

    I was in the exact same position as yourself this summer. I finished my 4th year LLB and didn't think I could afford the DPLP @ Edinburgh Uni. However, look into Postgraduate bursarys and SAAS. I managed to get 2k bursary for from the Uni as did everyone else who applied for it plus the SAAS contribution, I only had to pay 1k which in the whole of it, wasn't too bad!

    I have realised how hard it is to get a traineeship also and that most firms wont touch you without the DPLP being sat. It might be worth looking into. I totally understand how soul destroying it is getting rejection after rejection! It might be worth taking a few years out, but with the DPLP, the LSS is extending the length of time the Diploma lasts for without you having to resit if worst comes to worst and you couldn't find anything straight away xx
    SAAS cut the funding this year (for the 2013 intake) - they used to do a 50% split - 50% got funding, 50% never, now no one gets a penny and there are no postgrad bursary's offered for the course anymore.

    Thank you everyone, I just need to keep myself from getting too downtrodden and try my luck at other things. I got offered a good job that was apparently Glasgow/Edinburgh related, and then I got invited to an interview on the premis that I would need to relocate to London for a year. I would love to do it, but I can't - financially and emotionally (it would just be me and my son and h2b would still be at uni), and legally I can't just up and move my son (seperated from his father, and although his father wouldn't put up a fight at me leaving, his mother would make him in order to see my little one). I had to specifically tailor my job search to the Central Belt, Glasgow and Edinburgh area which really limited my chances.

    I'm going to email that company (they keep emailing me to attend interviews etc) and just see if I can swing it so, that if I was offered a job, I would only work Glasgow/Edinburgh way at least for the foreseeable future (3-5 years) and then I'd be in a better position to relocate, if needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawmummy View Post
    SAAS cut the funding this year (for the 2013 intake) - they used to do a 50% split - 50% got funding, 50% never, now no one gets a penny and there are no postgrad bursary's offered for the course anymore.

    Thank you everyone, I just need to keep myself from getting too downtrodden and try my luck at other things. I got offered a good job that was apparently Glasgow/Edinburgh related, and then I got invited to an interview on the premis that I would need to relocate to London for a year. I would love to do it, but I can't - financially and emotionally (it would just be me and my son and h2b would still be at uni), and legally I can't just up and move my son (seperated from his father, and although his father wouldn't put up a fight at me leaving, his mother would make him in order to see my little one). I had to specifically tailor my job search to the Central Belt, Glasgow and Edinburgh area which really limited my chances.

    I'm going to email that company (they keep emailing me to attend interviews etc) and just see if I can swing it so, that if I was offered a job, I would only work Glasgow/Edinburgh way at least for the foreseeable future (3-5 years) and then I'd be in a better position to relocate, if needed.
    I can't believe SAAS have actually cut it by that much! They are getting worse and worse as each year goes by. I know for my year starting in September everyone who applied received the SAAS funding, but it wasn't guaranteed for the next year right enough (That was one of my main reasons for doing it straight after the llb).

    Fingers crossed that you are able to talk them round to letting you stay up here! I know how stressful my 4th year was, with dissertation etc and it's so hard trying to balance that work, plus the added pressure of trying to find a job at the same time. But as I always go with, what's for you wont go by you! Good luck xx

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    Thanks Kiara I know, its absurd they cut it so drastically. There are big debates going through parliament about easier access to the legal profession as a result of this - but even if the outcome is positive, it won't be in effect until after I need it.

    I've always been interested in teaching and I've been researching tonight about doing the PGDE either in Secondary with Modern Studies (however, seems unlikely as I didn't specialise in any specific course at uni such as english, hisotry etc. and for modern studies you need politics/sociology/social policy/international relations etc - but I'm hoping what I touched on in uni during the LLB will be enough to build on), or PGDE in Primary Eduction (only need a degree, Higher English at a C and Standard Grade Maths - which I have).

    The course fees are only around the 1800 mark for the year I'm in education and I think SAAS pays for that - but even if they don't, I have that in savings atm so I can afford to go and do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawmummy View Post
    Thanks Kiara I know, its absurd they cut it so drastically. There are big debates going through parliament about easier access to the legal profession as a result of this - but even if the outcome is positive, it won't be in effect until after I need it.

    I've always been interested in teaching and I've been researching tonight about doing the PGDE either in Secondary with Modern Studies (however, seems unlikely as I didn't specialise in any specific course at uni such as english, hisotry etc. and for modern studies you need politics/sociology/social policy/international relations etc - but I'm hoping what I touched on in uni during the LLB will be enough to build on), or PGDE in Primary Eduction (only need a degree, Higher English at a C and Standard Grade Maths - which I have).

    The course fees are only around the 1800 mark for the year I'm in education and I think SAAS pays for that - but even if they don't, I have that in savings atm so I can afford to go and do it.
    Yeah the degree itself that you will have alone puts you in good stead for so many other jobs, it would just feel so strange after spending 4 years having cases and statutes drummed into your head to go into something different! Although the skills we pick up during the course are so transferable you would be a great candidate for a teaching job. Even with some of the other courses required a lot of colleges will do something similar for a tiny fee that shouldn't last too long. And on the plus side, your student discount lasts longer too

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    Great that your looking at other options but just wanted to say that for modern studies teaching you will find it v difficult to get a job in the central belt and would prob need to day either supply work, which isn't always there or relocate to get a perm post. Sorry to be negative but just wouldn't want you to take that route thinking there are lots of jobs as that is the way its always made out in the media but its certainly not that way in reality!

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    Quote Originally Posted by missg View Post
    Great that your looking at other options but just wanted to say that for modern studies teaching you will find it v difficult to get a job in the central belt and would prob need to day either supply work, which isn't always there or relocate to get a perm post. Sorry to be negative but just wouldn't want you to take that route thinking there are lots of jobs as that is the way its always made out in the media but its certainly not that way in reality!
    I agree, my sister-in-law's boyfriend is currently training to be a modern studies teacher at Glasgow but he is almost certian he will have to move away from the central belt to get a full time job, he's quite happy to do this.

    Sorry lawmummy I don't have any other advise to offer you. I was one of the lucky ones securing a job before I'd finished uni but my h2b's career plans haven't turned out the way he wanted so I know how hard it can be. Don't give up hope though. x

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    I've applied through the GTTR and only done two primary courses, I'd prefer primary teaching I think. I just need to wait on my references coming back before I can submit the application. It will only cost me 19 and if I do get into the placement then I'll have gained another useful qualification regardless of whether I get the job or not - opening more pathways for me.

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    I'm 4 years PQE. When I started the diploma in 2005 the majority of my intake did not have traineeships and there was a significant number of us that did not have funding, myself included. Yes, the uncertainty of not knowing if I would have a job at the end was worrying but I'm glad I took the risk. The diploma helps you in making contacts. Most of the tutors are practicing solicitors. I was one of a number of people who managed to get traineeships with the firms that our tutors worked for.

    I also totally disagree that you have chosen such a narrow degree. You have a degree that is highly in demand and doesn't restrict you to a career in law. In contrast my husband did a degree in history and a masters in American studies. He struggled when he finished uni as he didn't have a particular career path in mind. It was a number of years before he ending up applying for the Police. In some ways he regrets going to uni and wasting time doing a degree in a subject with less than clear career prospects.

    Have you had any relevant work experience? In my experience this counts for a lot. Even if it's unpaid work experience for a week or so it still shows your commitment to the field and is something else to include on your cv. Have you contacted any firms or organisations to arrange work placements? I work for GHA and I know that we do have students/graduates who come in for week long placements etc.

    If being a solicitor is your dream job then you can't let this slip through your fingers. You have to treat the process of finding a traineeship almost like a full time job. I know that will be difficult if you have kids but the end result will be worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gayle View Post
    I'm 4 years PQE. When I started the diploma in 2005 the majority of my intake did not have traineeships and there was a significant number of us that did not have funding, myself included. Yes, the uncertainty of not knowing if I would have a job at the end was worrying but I'm glad I took the risk. The diploma helps you in making contacts. Most of the tutors are practicing solicitors. I was one of a number of people who managed to get traineeships with the firms that our tutors worked for.

    I also totally disagree that you have chosen such a narrow degree. You have a degree that is highly in demand and doesn't restrict you to a career in law. In contrast my husband did a degree in history and a masters in American studies. He struggled when he finished uni as he didn't have a particular career path in mind. It was a number of years before he ending up applying for the Police. In some ways he regrets going to uni and wasting time doing a degree in a subject with less than clear career prospects.

    Have you had any relevant work experience? In my experience this counts for a lot. Even if it's unpaid work experience for a week or so it still shows your commitment to the field and is something else to include on your cv. Have you contacted any firms or organisations to arrange work placements? I work for GHA and I know that we do have students/graduates who come in for week long placements etc.

    If being a solicitor is your dream job then you can't let this slip through your fingers. You have to treat the process of finding a traineeship almost like a full time job. I know that will be difficult if you have kids but the end result will be worth it.
    Thanks for this!

    I said a narrow job because everything I've been looking at his asked for a particular degree field and doesn't let me go any further if I don't have such and such a degree, which is very disheartening.

    I have two months work experience, voluntary, in a criminal defence firm. I've made briefs for solicitors and counsel, done legal aid forms, phoned prisons and clients, attending trials and interviews, had an advocate allow me to shadow him for the day into the depths of the High Court, sat in on family law matters in closed courts etc. But I've still gotten nothing.

    My major problem is that I need to keep my search very narrow because I cannot up and move across the country given my circumstances.

    I've decided that until I have the funding available to do the Diploma, without getting into debt, I won't pursue the diploma just yet. I'll wait 3-4 years and then reapply if I have the money/if I still want to become a solicitor. In the mean time this will allow me to build up real life experience, hopefully in a law firm somewhere as a non-qualified employee such as a paralegal or something similar to give my CV a little boost and perhaps a nod in the direction of a traineeship.

    I'm also applying to the PGDE in Primary Education for next year as I won't be out of pocket doing it, and primary teaching was my second option to becoming a solicitor. If I get in the course and I am successful with a probabtion school at the end, then I'll be happy in content in my job - if not, then I am no worse off than I am now, but have more doors that can, possibly, open for me with two qualifications.

    If I don't get in I'll just apply to jobs - law firms, banks etc - and see where that path takes me.

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    I can't add much on the law front but what i would say is even today a degree is still a degree, I have a degree in Educational studies but I'm currently working for an accounts firm and I'm half way through my ACCA. complete career path change but having my degree did help me to get where i am, albeit a totally irrelevant degree.

    I would also say, if you are serious about primary teaching then you need to try get as much experience in as possible. I started my degree in primary teaching so i know how competitive it is to get into, although they exam qualifications are important there is a greater significance on experience and personality - hence there are always interviews to get through.

    Good luck with whatever path you choose, and remember to always stay positive everything will fall into place. xx

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlmostMrsM View Post
    I can't add much on the law front but what i would say is even today a degree is still a degree, I have a degree in Educational studies but I'm currently working for an accounts firm and I'm half way through my ACCA. complete career path change but having my degree did help me to get where i am, albeit a totally irrelevant degree.

    I would also say, if you are serious about primary teaching then you need to try get as much experience in as possible. I started my degree in primary teaching so i know how competitive it is to get into, although they exam qualifications are important there is a greater significance on experience and personality - hence there are always interviews to get through.

    Good luck with whatever path you choose, and remember to always stay positive everything will fall into place. xx
    Thank you, I have been looking at jobs which study towards the ACCA as well.

    I have a year experience in a primary class in a school for children with disabilities and I was a swimming teacher for 3-5 year olds for over a year, so I'm hoping this helps.

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    It will help with getting onto the course, but it's getting a job at the end that's the problem. I am a primary teacher and have been lucky to get long term supply, but lots of my friends have moved away - some in Spain, some in China/Japan/Hong Kong, some in Oz, some in Dubai (actually lots in Dubai) - because there are no jobs here. Moving away is not really an option as my son is at school here and my partner has a permanent job that we just couldn't give up tbh.

    I did the course as a single parent and it is a hell of a lot of work. Your probation year is even more work. And to be honest, I'm now in my third year out and I could STILL spend every night looking up new initiatives, building lesson plans etc - because there is so much out there and teachers are expected to do so much off of their own back.

    My mum & aunt job share and have been teaching for nearly 20 years, and they still both work on a Sat & Sun. It's just never ending!

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    I have a degree in history I intended to use to go into teaching... However I have ended up in Financial services and love it !! Plans don't always work out but there's usually an alternative that will surprise you

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    Just an update!

    I applied to a Government Finances Profession job in their International Development section in EK and I've got an interview/assessment day on the 30th!

    Despite there only being one position I'm happier to go to this one for a few reasons: a) it's close to home and if they can't put me in EK they said they will try and sympathise with my circumstances (as the other positions are in England) and hopefully put me elsewhere - if I am successful; b) that is the only position in Scotland and the rest are in England, in more known locations and departments so there hopefully won't be many other applicants; c) the DFID helps focus on poverty and making every 1 stretch to its utmost, which is something I'm passionate about and hoping it gives me an edge!

    Yay!

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